My first response.
His second message.
My second response.
Oh man, you don’t say.
*KindaHe did not respond after this. Shockingly.
Now that’s a classy gent, right there.
The provided URL-image perfectly describes people like Kovitlac who categorically agrees with every opinion displayed by an individual of the female gender in regards to the topic at hand (sexism). It’s a form of agreement solely driven by a carefully veiled self-interest and extravagantly filled with emotion. No effort is made to hold an objective tone. Instead he immediately draws the conclusion that the claimed perpetrator is of immoral character.
Most, if not always am I in an agreement that the uploaded case of sexism is objectively considered to hold true. However, I disagree strongly that this is a common atmosphere in the gaming community in a general sense as it’s attempted to be portrayed on this site and echoed without question by site visitors such Kovitlac.
What for example the site owner fails to acknowledge is that the specific game in question plays a significant factor in determining the level of maturity in the community surrounding said game. When the material you have provided on this site is almost exclusively derived from the Call of Duty series, you may begin to ask whether or not that sexism appears (which acts as a indicator of immaturity) in such high frequency, is due to the specific community surrounding the game in question and not something that can be used as evidence of sexism being present in male-dominated games.
While we are still on the topic of ‘frequency’ I would also like to point out specifically directed to the site owner that when you deliberately are looking for sexism, racism or any other -ism, you will begin to identify instances of said events in high numbers in almost any environment of your choosing. It’s part of human nature to act stereotypical, judgemental and biased.
While I’m not from an ethical standpoint in agreement that we should accept the presence of these aforementioned immoral acts I feel compelled to claim that you, to a certain extent, exaggerate the proportions of these incidents in order to, what I believe, receive undeserved amounts of attention to an issue that is largely quarantined within the community of certain games.
If you want an “objective tone,” you can’t get much more “objective” than research studies!:
online survey-based study:
And another, experimentally approached university study:
The actual study is here–> http://nms.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/09/12/1461444812458271.full
Lol, your argument boils down to:
“But it’s not a widespread problem…”
It happens in abundance; the bigoted behavior is way too normalized, even if most people don’t actively participate in it. It’s still allowed to fly.
1. “That game’s community is an exception! Most are not like that.”
There are definitely some that are worse/better than others. Maybe you only play games where bigoted “trash talk” is a rare unicorn (or has no chat function) though I don’t particularly trust your assessment since you deny it’s even a common problem.
2. “You’re exaggerating! It’s not that bad! It really doesn’t happen much.”
Well, at least you’re not denying it’s wrong, but to read this site (or the numerous testimonies of women and men in other places) and say it’s an exaggeration is denialism. You’re trying to dismiss and avoid acknowledging the problem by saying it’s not “really” a problem. You can’t flat out say it doesn’t happen, so you say it doesn’t happen much. Or that this is an exception, or it’s, it’s, it’s…anything but a real, pervasive problem. Nothing to see here. Let’s just ignore dealing with it. I’ll make it simple: You’re wrong.
3. “You’re just looking for it!”
No. There’s no feminazi conspiracy or weird fetish for abuse that compels girls and women to go looking for it. You don’t have to go looking for it. It finds you. Clearly you haven’t paid attention to the many posts where guys *actively seek her out* to verbally bash, threaten, and/or crassly hit on her.
Obviously the site was created for awareness so it’s not going to show normal interactions. But it is indicative of what female gamers have to put up with just to play.
**The *entire point* is that it DOES happen, it IS that bad, and it IS far too frequent. Being in denial doesn’t make it less true, and doesn’t absolve you of responsibility as a gamer to be vocal in rooting out this behavior wherever you find it.
And no one cares about the “character” of the gamer, it’s the behavior. (And yes, if you do and say these things, you’re a dirtbag. But it’s not some deep character flaw; there’s an easy fix: Don’t do it. Voila! No longer a dirtbag.)
And even if, like in your reality-insulated mind, it only happened in “some” places and “some” times, it would still be grossly unacceptable and deserve to be highlighted and vehemently condemned by ALL gamers.
Wow. Dude. The issue is pretty clear – you’re looking at this as being some sort of government-funded survey where the results are bound to be accepted as undeniable proof by the masses. Heads up: it’s a website, run by one person, and its purpose is simply to show how women can be treated in video games. I never once heard Jenny say that this is what ALL women experience. Hell, I don’t – really the only multiplayer I play is in the Assassin’s Creed community, where this sort of this is much less common (although I know of two women personally who have been called out due to their gender). This is likely because the female player base is so large for those games.
That said, I’m not in denial, as you seem to be. Jenny clearly comes across this like of sexism quite often. But again, she’s not saying this happens to everyone, or that men should all feel ashamed for the sad behavior shown by only a relative few. As I said before, you’re looking for an issue where there really isn’t one. You’re looking for a thesis paper, and all jenny is doing is a draft. It’s a site made to make people think – not take it as THE BLIND TRUTH, MAAAAAAN! If you don’t agree, that’s fine. But I don’t really appreciated being called out, personally. You don’t know who I am, or really anything about me, based on just a few comments here. Or, likely, just the one short sentence you saw, above.
As expected a retaliation was immediately received although I’m disappointed by the attempted ridiculing of arguments that I have laid forth. Rather than to challenge disagreeing notions with a civilized tone it was met with a juvenile response.
I agree after having read both your replies that some points that I presented are most likely factually wrong but I remain confident that these incidents are still isolated to certain gaming communities. The frequency of which you see cases of sexism is in my opinion highly if not entirely dependent on specific games. The Call of Duty series in particular, which is a relevant matter to bring up since the material provided on this site is almost exclusively from said game, maintains a notorious reputation for having a concentrated population of the player-base that belong to young adults.
I would argue that it would be significantly harder to find cases of discrimination based upon physical or mental attributes in a community surrounding for example a space-ship simulator simply due to the fact that the profile behind the average player who drift towards said genre shapes a completely different type of environment.
The summary point being is that you can find cases of immoral acts in higher frequency, in this case gaming environments, depending on the location of which you choose to gather material from. If this is regarded to be true, then it invalidates the perceived notion that the fault lies in the gaming community as a whole rather than specific games in question.
Let’s see if one of your next responses will hold a tone more fit for a civilized discussion.
With respect, Critical thinker.
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